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SWAP 2019 Pre-Rules Discussion

Started by Medea, October 01, 2018, 07:53:15 am

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Sizun

Morzel, I like very much the silhouette idea, as this is as important as color to get a practical and versatile wardrobe.
The Big Bang idea is nice too, similar to The Vivienne Files' "What you have, what you add, what you can do".

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mudcat

Just a small hint ... you will be able to have one item completed by the time I put up the rules which will be 28 Oct at the earliest and 31 Oct at the latest. 

So you've about two weeks notice for that. I'd advise doing it in one of your typical neutrals.

indigotiger

QuoteJust a small hint ... you will be able to have one item completed by the time I put up the rules which will be 28 Oct at the earliest and 31 Oct at the latest.

So you've about two weeks notice for that. I'd advise doing it in one of your typical neutrals.
Will that be for the "previously sewn" item (that is often included in "the rules")? or will we be able to include something instead that we made earlier, prior to the discussion of SWAP 2019?
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warpjr1965

I'm liking Morzel's Big Bang idea as well! 

I wonder if Tree Frogs 6 wildcard idea could work if there is some requirement for the garments to coordinate?

I do agree that some sort of coordination/cohesiveness is in the general SWAP spirit.

I have no original ideas of my own, as yet.
Wendy

Sew Ruthie Sews

I'm not super keen on the 6 wildcards thing from a voting perspective.
How would I be able to tell that someone had actually filled wardrobe holes, rather than just sewn 6 things that they fancied at the time and randomly placed them in their collection? There would need to be some additional supporting evidence (for example a photo of the wildcard showing how it filled a hole), which I think could be cumbersome and photo and voting time).
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mudcat

Quote from: indigotigerquote]Will that be for the "previously sewn" item (that is often included in "the rules")?


Yes, that will be the "previously sewn" item.

indigotiger

well since I have a whole assortment of neutral colored, me-made, garments to choose from already, I will simply wait as patiently as I can manage to hear what the 2019 guidelines will be... I'm sure that they will be as thoughtful and workable as the last years rules. Thank you mudcat for taking up the reins again!!
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Sizun

Quote from: mudcat on October 13, 2018, 05:03:07 pm
Just a small hint ... you will be able to have one item completed by the time I put up the rules which will be 28 Oct at the earliest and 31 Oct at the latest. 

So you've about two weeks notice for that. I'd advise doing it in one of your typical neutrals.


It's becoming exciting  :thumbsup:

Can this item be a previously knit cardigan ?

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Grasshopper

I confess that I do rather like the "big bang" idea, if only because I have recently been looking at my wardrobe through Janice's new cluster template.  While there are many ways to use it, I started by choosing 5 basic items (1 topper, 2 tops, and 2 bottoms) that could be combined to create various outfits and was planning on building from there.  For me, my first cluster ended up being:  oatmeal cardigan, gray tee, camel turtleneck, dark wash blue jeans, and an ivory/gray/camel plaid wool skirt.  None of these pieces are exactly the same color, but there is a neutral color palette there to build from, and I can build some really versatile outfits with them and expand them further with accessories.  So, I guess what I am saying is that I think I do better when planning by actually thinking about the outfit combinations that I realistically would wear.  For instance, I know I will practically never wear the exact same color head to toe (variations of it, maybe), and creating a core of 4 in one color as a starting point doesn't exactly inspire me because it doesn't appeal to me visually.  (Maybe this plays into the silhouette idea, too.)
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Morzel

I watched a video yesterday from Silhouette patterns about the 'great eight'. Peggy Sager helped a lovely lady to create 8 basic pieces in EF style, that she could then dress up with eg. cardis. I know lots of you have basics already, but maybe it is some food for thought for others. The videos are less structured than I would prefer, but it does get the point across. EFs basics (and those shown by Peggy) are sleeveless, which is definitely not what I would go for, but  I am sure you could do your basics in short or long sleeves as well.

Video 1
Video 2

The great 8 are:
1. plain knit top
2. plain long knit top
3. plain woven top
4. plain woven dress (elongated from 3.)
5. knit pants
6. narrow knit pants (leggins)
7. woven pant
8. cropped woven pant
Eva

Lisanne

Here's the Eileen Fisher starting point
https://www.eileenfisher.com/women/collections/the-system/
The essence of her collections is always simple shapes in high quality fabrics.

Click the link at the bottom for a few styles with sleeves, still no layers - which I find a bit odd for the change of season.
There are a few cardis among her main knits
https://www.eileenfisher.com/women/clothing/sweaters-cardigans/
There are some lovely simple jackets which would also be easy to copy
https://www.eileenfisher.com/women/clothing/jackets-vests/
Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

https://sewingplums.com - comments on wardrobes, patterns, style, fit
https://uk.pinterest.com/sewingplums/ - style images
https://aimforquality.wordpress.com - good basic sewing techniques
https://easyjackets.wordpress.com - no need for tailoring, unless you want to
https://helpwithsewingpatterninstructions.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/first-blog-post/ - Peggy Sagers sew-alongs

Lisanne

Janice has 2 approaches to 'clusters', both useful.

http://www.theviviennefiles.com/2017/04/how-to-clean-out-your-closet-using-clusters.html/
In this version the 'clusters' are 4 items : a basic layer+top+bottom outfit + 1 other.

In another form, her clusters are like simplified 6-PACs, 5 items.
I've seen 3 versions of this from her :
- 1 layer, 2 tops, 2 bottoms
- 1 layer, 3 tops, 1 bottom
- 2 layers, 2 tops, 1 bottom.
The last of those suits me well.
Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

https://sewingplums.com - comments on wardrobes, patterns, style, fit
https://uk.pinterest.com/sewingplums/ - style images
https://aimforquality.wordpress.com - good basic sewing techniques
https://easyjackets.wordpress.com - no need for tailoring, unless you want to
https://helpwithsewingpatterninstructions.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/first-blog-post/ - Peggy Sagers sew-alongs

bessiecrocker

I have a personal cluster concept that I'll throw in for contemplation.

a 6 pac,or extended 4 pack cluster consisting of:

top, simple
pant
skirt
jacket
sweater
dress (which is suitable for wearing with the layering pieces)

I don't actually own lots of full clusters, but I use that to see where the holes are.  The add-ons are mostly tops, or matching (wear together) tops and sweater/casual layer, in expansion colors. If I can get 6 pieces in a neutral, then I know I have a really good base wardrobe in that color.  "Neutral" is a go-together hue, not totally identical.   

indigotiger

I use a modified version of a cluster in that I aim to have groupings of seven items, all in one colorway: pinafore, knit top, shirt/blouse, dress, leggings, popover-dress, and cardigan/jacket.

(My ultimate goal is to have eight of these groupings, which will be clothing for all seasons, and allow me to do laundry once a week. I have been working towards this goal for years now, and am about halfway there)
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sdBev

Quote from: indigotiger on October 17, 2018, 11:52:30 am...I have been working towards this goal for years now, and am about halfway there)
wardrobes arent built over night.  Took me about 4 years to get to my current point and I started with a full closet--I had lots of clothes but  limited interchangeability.  Now I check every season and every season I am replacing something
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Sew Ruthie Sews

I'm sewing Burgundy for autumn this year, and I sewed Burgundy for Autumn last year which is great as I have some pieces I can reuse and incorporate.
I can get dressed for work without any issues now (which hasn't always been the case due to favourites wearing out, laundry accidents and me changing size).

I do find the traditional SWAP time frame challenging as the weather where I am in December is hugely different to April, and so I want to sew warmer fabrics and long sleeves at the start and lighter stuff later. I then don't want to spoil the clothes before the photos so hold off wearing them by which time it is early summer.
Last year seems to be a mostly early summer collection and I wore the pieces a lot through the summer.

So for those of us in seasonal climates I think its hard to pick a season and sew for that. I generally want to wear things I sew quite soon afterwards.
Hmmmmm.
Ruthie in Derbyshire UK
http://ruthieksews1.blogspot.co.uk/

Sizun

Same as you Ruthie. At the time of planning I can only consider warm garments but the ending date calls for spring clothes. I've always found it difficult to sew ahead of time. However, I need warm clothes right now and anyway finding summer weight fabrics in the winter is difficult here. Things we can do :
- accept to wear a piece as soon as it's completed
- sew only transitional pieces that can be worn year round except in the hearts of summer and winter.
- sew the pieces from most wintery/warmest to lightest (typically coat to blouse ?)
- sew faster to have most pieces done before the official deadline.

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Sew Ruthie Sews

Very sensible advice Sizun!

I have a teal wool coat I want to make, so might do that before Christmas and then it might be able to be a 'previously sewn' piece but still get worn during the cold weather. I played with style ideas, did a muslin and then was fed up and never actually sewed it. Maybe this year i can rekindle the enthusiasm.
Ruthie in Derbyshire UK
http://ruthieksews1.blogspot.co.uk/

Saashka

Ruthie, why would you wait to take pictures at the end? Why not take them as you complete pieces that go together? That way you could wear your new clothes right away and have pictures to show later.

Sew Ruthie Sews

Saashka, the photo rules are never published until right at the end, so I don't know what will be OK in photos or not. I think I had a disaster one year where something got stained or shrank and it sort of messed the whole plan up.
Plus I either take the photos outside when the weather is slightly better, or get my boyfriend to help when he's over at the weekend so its not very conveninent to take photos as I go along. (Maybe I'm just photo resistant!)

I still am unsure if a coat would be OK though if then the stuff sewed later was more summery.


This is one of my collections from 2010. The colours work quite well together but the trousers were wool and lined and they were really warm.
But the dress was from a really fine cotton and very cool and it didn't actually work together very well.
There are no photos of me wearing the wrap blouse because the fit was shocking and I gave it away. We probably should have photos of people wearing the clothes!
Ruthie in Derbyshire UK
http://ruthieksews1.blogspot.co.uk/

Saashka

Thank you, Ruthie, for the explanation. Somehow it escaped me that photo rules were published later. I think photo guidelines should be published as part of the rules at the outset. That way Ruthie and others in her climate/situation don't run into issues at the end of the contest.

mudcat

I will verify with DL but I would assume we should be able to use the Gallery the same way we did last year.  And the rules will otherwise be the same. 

I think in some years past it wasn't clear where the photos would be hosted.

sharonspils

SWAP also covers very hot weather at the beginning and then ends when I am looking for much warmer clothes for me.  I know there have been years I have been sweltering in the clothes I have made for the photos.

So what I tend to do now is take photos as I finish a wearable outfit, and then try and sew so that the next item goes with that so I am taking photos as I complete and can wear them as soon as they are finished.  There is always the last piece that will go with the first but again I have the majority of photos done and just try not to look uncomfortable in my photos.   

I have felt the photos rules where pretty standard over the years, from memory (which is not as good as it used to be) the only difference was the inclusion of the group of garments on hangers that can change.

indigotiger

in case it helps, here are last years photo rules:
QuotePhoto Guidelines

    Provide 6-12 photos.
    Include one photo that includes the full group of garments (plus optional accessory if it applies)
    Include one photo of you wearing an outfit (perfectly fine to blur face or omit head shot)
    Additional 4-10 photos of various outfit combinations (these can be on you, dress form, rack, hangar, laying on furniture, whatever you prefer)
    Every garment must be shown in at least two outfits (as per the rules)
    Composite photos are allowed (but not required); however they are limited to a main photo and two smaller insers
    Photos should be sized to fit the page without scrolling.
    Photos should be posted by Monday 7 May
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Sew Ruthie Sews

Probably shouldn't have posted yesterday. Work is very busy with an IT thing that goes in on Sunday and I've been working extra hours and am tired and grumpy. So apologies for moaning.

In the winter I tend to do photos on the dummy for tops and on hangers for bottoms. So some of the resistance is finding photo taking hard.

I did all the photos for last year's swap in a couple of hours one nice sunny late Spring day. The wheelie bin helpfully held the camera, the light was co-operative and it all worked out really well. The collection was all taken on the same camera in the same light so it was clear how things worked together.

I've made very complex plans in the past and then found I couldn't deliver the pieces, so I now try to have an approach where I understand the boundaries and work within them adjusting as I go as fabric lengths are too short, a garment comes out wrong or whatever.
Ruthie in Derbyshire UK
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Morzel

As I stated elsewhere, I have been watching the Silhouette pattern videos again lately. So I thought I would make Peggy's muslin approach for SWAP, working on her L-C-D method. Am working on a jeans muslin an quite content so far.
Eva

Philippa

Am in planning mode - does anyone have any ideas of a pattern  so I can copy this top
https://thefoldlondon.com/product/belmore-top-blush-pink-tweed/

Such beautiful, classic designs - at eye watering prices..

Sizun

I have no pattern idea, but it's really beautifully designed. Have you seen the darts on the hips ? Clever !

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CCL

I think I may have seen a Lekala pattern that had similar lines (I will have to go back and check - but can't right now). 

Philippa

Same beautiful lines on one of their dresses too -
https://thefoldlondon.com/product/waverley-dress-garnet-red-wool-crepe/
A bit of dart manipulation - and it transforms a basic style into something else..

CCL

October 25, 2018, 10:11:15 am #65 Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 11:38:35 am by CCL
Phillipa -- here's the link to one of the Lekala patterns that could perhaps be adjusted.

#4289 

For the dress, here's one that perhaps you could start with, and again, maybe adjust.

#4422

In a quick perusal, I saw a couple of others - in the dress and top categories that might make good starting places.  I find the price inexpensive enough to gamble on experimenting with their patterns.  Hope that helps.

Lisanne

October 25, 2018, 12:05:19 pm #66 Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 12:18:26 pm by Lisanne
Quote from: Philippa on October 25, 2018, 05:58:26 am
Such beautiful, classic designs - at eye watering prices..


For their target customer, there's a very high pay-off, literally, from looking as if you're paid a lot.
Those people don't get to where they have by wearing clothes from H&M or clothes made out of fabric bought in the market.

Those are not high prices for well made boutique clothes.
I'm a fan of quality.  If we can make clothes of that quality, then what we make is worth about 10 times what we pay for materials.
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Well actually at The Fold they don't need such a high mark-up as they control the designing and manufacturing themselves.  So their prices are lower than for similar 'designer' clothes.

Rather off the topic of SWAP and quick sewing, but it's an important theme for me, and was my strategy when successful - wear obviously good design and obviously well made from quality materials.  That saved me a lot of time trying to get people who didn't know me or my work to take me seriously.

P.S. You pay Eileen Fisher about twice as much, for example.
https://thefoldlondon.com/product-category/tailoring/jackets-tailoring/
https://www.eileenfisher.com/women/clothing/jackets-vests/
Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

https://sewingplums.com - comments on wardrobes, patterns, style, fit
https://uk.pinterest.com/sewingplums/ - style images
https://aimforquality.wordpress.com - good basic sewing techniques
https://easyjackets.wordpress.com - no need for tailoring, unless you want to
https://helpwithsewingpatterninstructions.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/first-blog-post/ - Peggy Sagers sew-alongs

bessiecrocker

 
Quote from: Lisanne on October 25, 2018, 12:05:19 pm

P.S. You pay Eileen Fisher about twice as much, for example.
https://thefoldlondon.com/product-category/tailoring/jackets-tailoring/
https://www.eileenfisher.com/women/clothing/jackets-vests/


I totally agree with you about buying quality, but I don't think you really have an apples to apples comparison.

Eileen Fisher jackets, the kind you would wear to work, run about 100£/$120. more than similar from The Fold.(Using US prices, don't know what you pay in the UK for EF.) Also worth mentioning that EF clothing lasts FOR-ever. And styles are classic, so it keeps looking current. You get what you pay for.

If you're going to compare The Fold with a US brand, look at work wear from Talbots. Talbots might run slighly cheaper overall.  The Fold is slightly more trendy and Euro style...but that could just be general style difference between UK and USA.

https://www.talbots.com/online/petites/work-shop/_/N-4294966556+4158043964

do you have Zara in the UK or USA? That's another brand to look at for price comparisons.

Lisanne

This is a bit off tangent to SWAP, but the Eileen Fisher link I put above gave prices in £, around £400-£600, twice what The Fold charges.  Similar to what EF charges at their London outlet.

The EF US site insists on giving me prices in £, but it's a very very long time since I saw a jacket from EF costing £100.  Where did you get that price from ?

Zara in the UK is a cheap fast fashion store only slightly up from H&M, not making any claims to boutique quality.

Perhaps I should not have tried to compare brands across countries as, despite our assumptions about the international nature of style and fashion, perceptions can be so different.  Brands can present themselves so differently in different markets.  I think we have already seen that with sewing machines !
Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

https://sewingplums.com - comments on wardrobes, patterns, style, fit
https://uk.pinterest.com/sewingplums/ - style images
https://aimforquality.wordpress.com - good basic sewing techniques
https://easyjackets.wordpress.com - no need for tailoring, unless you want to
https://helpwithsewingpatterninstructions.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/first-blog-post/ - Peggy Sagers sew-alongs

indigotiger

I'm glad to read that I'm not the only one trying to plan ahead for SWAP without yet knowing all the details we are actually planning for... though my planning is more about trying to come up with a new simple TNT pattern than to try copying some challenging RTW.

What I have been doing is perusing my fabric resource shelves and gathering assorted coordinate fabrics into groups, and attempting to copy a shirt jacket I made about fifteen years ago. While I am still somewhat larger now than then, I have been having success in my eat for health personal challenge and am down about eleven pounds so far, and the jacket has become wearable again.
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"It is known (to some) that by dwelling in the present, conceding what is necessary to past and future, but no more than is necessary, it is quite possible to live happily ever after"      - Edgar Pangborn