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Offline DragonLady

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The future of SG
« on: December 18, 2017, 04:44:57 PM »
Well, everyone, another year is nearly gone!

As I'm sure all of you who have been with us for a good while are well aware, SG has been struggling with financial concerns for years now. I started the forum for the pleasure and escapism it gave me.  Back then, it was an opportunity to spend time with adults when I was raising children; it helped me keep life in perspective and it gave me concrete goals and purpose.

For better or worse, life doesn't stand still for anyone, and things change -sometimes in completely unexpected or unforeseen ways.  Financial booms and busts are an age-old story, so I won't bore anyone with the details.  Suffice to say: compromises and sacrifices were required to adapt.  I began persuing revenues from advertisers, and about three years ago I started  taking voluntary contributions from the membership to not only pay the bills, but to provide myself with a salary for the work I do here.  I set the bar at receiving these contributions from 20% of the membership, to avoid having to charge a flat subscription rate.

Unfortunatly, this system has not worked.  While some folks have stepped up to the plate and contributed -in a few cases very generously- the hoped for 20% has never been achieved.

It is time to revamp and rework so that SG can continue to adapt to changing times.  The "net neutrality" bill has been repealed, so I believe we should all expect to see our internet service become more expensive, hosting bills will rise, sites that require a lot of computer resources may be blocked or require surcharges or fees for access, and in some cases sites will fail.

I've been working -as always, far behind the scenes- to make a plan I believe will work to see us through the next year or longer.  However, one of the key points is that SG will become a subscription-only service.  I've already installed some of the components, and am working on getting it ready to go.  My current goal is to make the change on January 1, 2018; although until I have it completely installed and ready for testing, I'm not certain how realistic that is -it may take a bit longer to make it work as desired.

Beyond that point, one of the next goals is to change hosting plans, as this one simply no longer suits our needs.  We've been struggling with some server-side bugs for many months now, and as our hosts don't seem to be able to resolve the issues I believe it's time to move -an expensive and time-consuming endeavor, but neccesary for the health of the site.

I have other ideas "on the drawing board" but will wait to reveal more of them until I have these two changes well in hand.  I well know it's gonna be a bit bumpity -these things always are.  However, I have 100% faith in SG, her moderation, and her membership.  We've all been through this journey together so far, and I'm confident we will face many new years -and other changes- as a community. 

I thank you all -each and every one of you- for making SG the wonderful place she is.  I'm proud of this site, proud to be your admin, and prepared to face whatever is next because I know I have the full faith and support of so many of you.  :)



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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 05:47:31 PM »
Best Wishes for all your efforts.
I do hope that everyone will want to come with you.
Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 06:01:29 PM »
Best of luck with all of this Julie.

Perhaps, since your intended change is just 2 weeks away, could you share your new subscription fee structure with us? I'm sure many of us will need to see how it fits in with our family budgets and hobby spending.

Thank you.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 06:24:27 PM »
Best of luck with all of this Julie.

Perhaps, since your intended change is just 2 weeks away, could you share your new subscription fee structure with us? I'm sure many of us will need to see how it fits in with our family budgets and hobby spending.

Thank you.

Rene

I'm still working on that. 

Also, I realize those of you who have contributed recently will be affected, and I'm still working on a system to take those contributions into account.

I will keep everyone informed as I can; I don't want anyone to be shocked or dismayed...and it may require "rolling out" the changes incrementally to make sure everything remains stable, and to catch bugs before they can cause really serious problems.


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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 07:53:36 PM »
I may be in a minority, but I am in favour of a subscription. I stayed away from SG for a while, and haven’t been very active since returning, but I will probably subscribe

Here’s why:  Sewing is my hobby.  I get a great deal of enjoyment out of it. It is not a necessity, though. And while I appreciate the good fortune in my life and am quite willing to contribute to those less fortunate, I am not interested in subsidizing someone else’s hobby. And that’s how I see a voluntary contribution   

I hope you don’t mind a couple of suggestions:  we are not all in the USA, and we don’t all use PayPal so please make it easier for us by accepting credit card payments. Also, we don’t all belong to photo hosting sites, so it would be nice to upload pics from our computers

SG is an excellent, well managed site. I think a subscription is the best way to help it continue

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 08:07:38 PM »
I do understand being able to take credit cards is important. However, right now the site software isn't able to accomodate them, and we don't have a secure directory for processing the payments, nor a secure database for keeping the records.  As I said upstream, some things may need to be done in increments, and site security -data protection- is a very serious thing, so I will want to make sure it's done right. To that end, it will probably wait 'til I've moved the site to a host I have far more faith in; as the company we're with now is leaving too much to be desired.

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Also, we don’t all belong to photo hosting sites, so it would be nice to upload pics from our computers

That is what the gallery is for, now.

I agree that being able to upload pictures is important, and is another big  reasons I see for moving our hosting somewhere else.


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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 09:16:15 PM »
Thank you DL for all your work behind the scenes to keep this board available to us all.

I look forward to hearing about further developments and I would be happy to subscribe for membership.

Merry Christmas to you!
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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 10:36:16 PM »
I am echoing the thanks for all of your work. I'd planned to send a contribution in the next week or so and will go ahead and do that.

I will support, and subscribe to, a subscription model - unless it's outrageously expensive :o
But I have faith in DL's efforts to make this accessible to as many people as possible in the subscription mode.

Hope a bunch of "the regulars" will come on over, too!

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 10:56:11 PM »
I'm unsure at the moment whether I would subscribe or not, but I suspect it will be the death knell for SWAP as at least some will decide not to.
Whilst I think I understand the drivers, like news organisations, there's an expectation from the consumer that the information online is free, but of course it isn't, there are hosting and running costs and online advertising generally doesn't match these.

Traffic may be down a bit as people are getting ready for the holiday season as the Americans call it (Christmas/New Year in the Uk) and probably not online as much, as such a 1st Jan 2018 change may come as a bit of a shock to many and you may wish to rethink the date (unless this is a financial one, in which case fair enough).

You may already have done this DL, but you may find some specialist marketing advice for online sites helpful to understand what a subscriber expects to get for their money so you can model your business plan appropriately.

Wishing you all the best, but by no means promising to participate. Cheers Ruthie.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 11:10:06 PM »
My first thought was SWAP as well Ruthie, as not everyone who has made plans to participate will choose to subscribe.

I hope the site will continue to thrive but I have concerns that it may not, which will be a great shame.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 11:38:12 PM »
Thank you for keeping us informed.
I can understand the reasons for the change. I hope that the transition goes well, many people decide to pay the subscription, and that whatever the new platform is works better for everyone involved.
I couldn't say whether I'll subscribe or not until I have more information, but I will surely consider it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2017, 11:38:57 PM »
I, for one, will be happy to pay a subscription.  I just wish this had happened sooner.  There will always be those that can not afford.  But I have found that we "afford" that which is important to us.  JMHO  There is no free lunch.

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2017, 11:55:25 PM »
Love SG and understand the reality of the associated costs.  For me it will come down to my personal cost. 
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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 12:56:30 AM »
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I hope the site will continue to thrive but I have concerns that it may not, which will be a great shame.

(nods)

I understand the concerns.  I'm nervous, too.

However, I think that if SG is not worth enough to garner a subscription fee, then she's not a worthwhile enterprise for the mods and I to keep sinking our time and efforts into. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 03:48:07 AM »
I agree with Judith's comment about being pleased to see a specified subscription fee. Perhaps I was having a slow day, but when I stumbled (by chance) on a link that mentioned voluntary contributions, my first question was how much should I contribute which was not identified anywhere that I could see.  I felt uncomfortable guessing and possibly sending too little so I just put the whole question off to another time. 

My second issue was surrounding Paypal.  As a Canadian, I ran into a problem using their services when I suddenly, and with no warning hit a Paypal plateau of spending in the US (with an online fabric vendor) beyond which I was informed that I would have to open a direct link to my bank account. I was unwilling to do as I feel this is an invasion of privacy and a security risk.  As the vendor that I was spending so much money with refused to accept my credit card without the going through Paypal, I had to stop buying from her and found another online fabric vendor who did not have this problem.  Long story short, please find a second option other than Paypal as I would gladly pay a subscription just as I do with other online services, however I will not divulge my banking information to Paypal when I have a perfectly serviceable credit card, cheque book and online banking ability to electronically wire funds anywhere in the world. 

Good luck with the new initiative and drive to make the site better and more financially equitable for all members  :)
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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2017, 04:07:43 AM »
I am quite surprised about this situation, but certainly understand the need. I will be purchasing  the subscription, but only if we keep the majority of the members. It is the long term and newer friendships that makes this site so personal and meaningful for me.

Like Dagmaro, i am not happy with Pay Pal. i belonged to PP and used it quite frequently. Then they wrote and notifies me since I has spent (and immediately paid from AX) over $10,000, i would have to register for their credit card and include all banking information. Since I also have a checking, savings ,  two credit cards, online banking and the ability to buy overseas, also , I will not be giving private banking info to pay pal. HOwever, I would be happy to join with a check.

I do appreciate  your work and the moderators and administrators hours of service to our site. Thank you all.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 04:32:24 AM »
Just a note about the PayPal policies: I know they're problematic.  They're not set up that way because PP likes it; rather it's because they have to comply with the US's federal regulations regarding money laundering.  These issues have affected every bank, money broker, currency exchange, etc.  They're a PITA, and I don't agree with them, but the Powers That Be have never listened to me yet, so I doubt they will start any time soon. ;)

The plan is to be able to take checks again, so those of you who cannot or will not use PayPal can mail me your payments. 

I promise to do my best not to leave anyone "out in the cold".  These kinds of nuts-n-bolts issues are part of the reason I've been putting off taking this step. There have been so many other bugs and glitches to work on that I haven't wanted to have to add another set of potential thunderstorms to the mix, but life is really tipping my hand.

Hopefully, finding a more stable financial footing, and a new hosting account, will lead to being able to implement solutions that are more convenient and user friendly. 
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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 05:56:43 AM »
When i have more details I am pretty sure I will pay a subscription fee.
As for PP I have them linked to a special bank account that is limited in size so that can't swoope in and take all my money. I have never had a problem with PP however.
For small vendors the costs for accepting credit cards is sometimes too high. Maybe checks?
 

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 08:55:02 AM »
I was surprised when I first joined SG that it was fully free, and I will happily pay a subscription fee.  There will always be teething problems, and change is rarely well-received in the first instance.  Good luck with it all DL!

Re paypal, you can use a credit card on paypal without having an account or divulging your banking details.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 09:36:43 AM »
I was about to say my PayPal account is linked to a credit card, one that is rarely used, and I have had no problems at all.
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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2017, 10:53:58 AM »
We’ve been very lucky so far that many internet services have been free.
But this trend to pay for services is increasing.
I’ve been looking at prices for several sewing services I’m interested in, and reduced them to (very approximate) cost per week :

Creative Bug on-line classes - $1
Seamwork magazine from Colette patterns   (I stopped subscribing because I was not interested in the patterns) - $2, includes pattern
Mimi G Sew Sew Def magazine (not my style) - $2, includes pattern
Sew Confident pdf tutorials from Sewing Workshop patterns  - $2
Craftsy on-line classes - $4 (that is too much for me as I already have the classes I’m interested in)

I think we’re very lucky to have to pay so little for our hobby.  Even the most expensive is less than the price of one 'designer' coffee.

How much are you willing to pay for the personalised help and friendship that is on offer here ?

Personally I would suggest making these changes after the end of SWAP, as otherwise there may be too much disruption of what is an enthusiastic part of the discussions here.
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Does this bring you joy, calm, confidence  :D  if not, try something else.

https://sewingplums.com - comments on wardrobes, patterns, style, fit
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https://aimforquality.wordpress.com - good basic sewing techniques
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2017, 11:33:17 AM »
I echo Lisanne's last comment.

It's the personal help and friendship that I value and the insight into life in other parts of the world.
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2017, 12:33:15 PM »
I value relationship with other stitchers and the seasonal sewalongs (6PAC) as well as SWAP. But if I choose to stay as a paying member will really depend on what's offered for how much.
We have to keep in mind what the competition is like. In my opinion paying to just stay in touch is not worth it. The places I'm on are Ravelry where you have to pay $5/year for hosting additional pictures in forum posts which I think is a fair price, Facebook where I don't pay anything but I don't like the messy format of it and PatternReview where I'm not a paying member but if I were, I'd have access to tutorials and discounts. I once was a paying member on a lutherie forum to have access to plans and tutorials, and it was only 5 euros a year. I just found a jogging partner for free on a fun, modern and well organized website.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2017, 12:39:06 PM »
Dragonlady We all appreciate the hard work you & the mods put in to running this forum.

Lisanne & Helen, I agree totally with your sentiments about friendship & chatting to people from elsewhere in the world but I think if SG is going to go with a subscription model then perhaps people need to feel they’re getting something extra for their pennies. Apologies if that sounds a bit harsh but I think we're all so used to user generated internet content being free there can be a reluctance to pay for the work that goes on behind the scenes.

So Dragonlady, with that in mind, I thought I’d throw a few things into the pot.

Incentives. I occasionally browse the other US based sewing forum which, as I’m sure you know, has a subscription option.  In order to entice subscribers they offer discounts on goods from certain US shops. However, as the cost of international postage & the possibility of customs charges negate any benefit for those of us who live overseas I doubt this is of much encouragement to non US members.  Perhaps you may have considered other incentive offers?

Viewable Content If all future SG forum content, (which will have been posted by those who have paid), can be seen by non members who have not paid, then it may reduce people’s incentive to subscribe. I think I’m right in saying that you have to be signed into some forums in order to access more than just the first part of a thread. This may be something you’ve already thought about.

Quality Content   Not that I’m suggesting for a second that our threads aren’t riveting... but it may be worth providing ‘extra’ factual content. I’m thinking along the lines of ‘How to’ tutorials with lots of fab photos.

Anyway, good luck & I hope everything works out.

OOh, just to add, Sizun has just posted as I was about to... sounds like we're on the same wave length... but I'll press post anyway..... while it's still free ::)

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2017, 01:01:12 PM »
I'm struggling with this for a number of reasons which mostly boil down to the fact the site has not been stable enough in the last year for me to feel confident paying a subscription fee.  It also feels like the short time frame of two weeks to 'now everyone pays but I don't have a stable way to collect money' is abrupt, particularly when the timing of the change is over the Christmas holiday when many are not here.  Add to this, I have tried to support the site and had my payment rejected. A six week time frame with a stable payment system?  Absolutely. 

A free for one page with access to archives past one page with subscription seems more sustainable to me as a model, but I am not in charge.   

Has anyone considered making SWAP a pay for entry contest as a way to offset some of the hosting fees which rise during the SWAP period (which is in the spirit of the original contest, which I did pay for all those many years ago)? 

What about able to be purchased support incentives--like buttons, bags and sewing organizer type items--like Ravelry has?

On the other side of the coin, I feel like there is information here is vital to the sewing world and I would hate for it to be lost. It would be really cool to be able to purchase things like 'ebooks of sewing tutorials on garment construction or other topics that have been so valuable to me.



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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2017, 01:02:12 PM »
Dragon Lady,  I do appreciate all you do and HAVE DONE to keep this site going.  I'm sure, for the most part, it is a hard, but realitively thankless job. I do SUPPORT you 100% and what you come up with for this site.

I haven't come here as often since the big meltdown (think about this time last year).  Many others haven't returned or, perhaps, just not participating as much.  As with the ebb and flow of lives and other things, I think this situation is understandable.  Also realize some feelings were hurt, etc. over some comments and the political fallout (which you found a solution for--the politics thing).

I, too, will wait for more details and TOTALLY understand the subscription route.  As Marciae said, we find a way to do what we want and what is important to us.  I couldn't agree morel

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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2017, 04:10:40 PM »
Just poppin' in to say "I'm listening, and I hear what you're all saying."

I do understand the concerns, and I apologize for the abruptness.  An event in my personal life a couple of months ago made it obvious changes would have to occur, but some unexpected help made me think I could put it off a bit longer.  Sadly, that's just not the case.

It leaves me with a lot of "catch 22" issues:

We all want a more stable board -I certainly do, as I'm darn tired of chasing bugs- but moving costs money I don't have.

We all want more convenient picture hosting, and we do currently pay for enough space to host them, but the directory isn't working...another reason to move...which costs money.....

We all want more "bells and whistles".  But they're not free, and they're a constant chore to maintain -they all come prepacked with glitches, bugs, and errors that require more work -and less time on my part to pursue other work, other revenue sources, or even my own hobbies.

I understand we all want "user generated content" to be free; however the venue or the support has never been so.  Whether it's the ingredients for the "free" cookies or the paper for the "free" booklet or the database for the "free" pixels, there's always a cost somewhere, which someone is paying.

Bottom line: SG is unsustainable as she is.  There simply isn't enough revenue from contributions and advertisements to continue with what she has; let alone change a bunch of things or pay for anything else.

The only question is: do we want to keep our board, or not?


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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 05:19:16 PM »
I imagine we all want to keep the board, but I think we need to know what it will cost us before we can make any decisions.

It's also not a good time of the year for many of us to make hasty considerations about our hobby as many will probably have family commitments which are taking up all of our time.
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 05:45:50 PM »
Have you thought of doing a 'Go fund me' or a Paetron fundraiser to help with changes?  Because we are willing to support this site.  We are still here and we care enough to comment and be here. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 05:55:14 PM »
Have you thought of doing a 'Go fund me' or a Paetron fundraiser to help with changes?  Because we are willing to support this site.  We are still here and we care enough to comment and be here.

I have been taking voluntary contributions for years.  Unfortunately, it has simply not worked out as I hoped.

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Offline Petlover

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2017, 08:29:30 PM »
I may be in a minority, but I am in favour of a subscription. I stayed away from SG for a while, and haven’t been very active since returning, but I will probably subscribe

Here’s why:  Sewing is my hobby.  I get a great deal of enjoyment out of it. It is not a necessity, though. And while I appreciate the good fortune in my life and am quite willing to contribute to those less fortunate, I am not interested in subsidizing someone else’s hobby. And that’s how I see a voluntary contribution   

I hope you don’t mind a couple of suggestions:  we are not all in the USA, and we don’t all use PayPal so please make it easier for us by accepting credit card payments. Also, we don’t all belong to photo hosting sites, so it would be nice to upload pics from our computers

SG is an excellent, well managed site. I think a subscription is the best way to help it continue

Judith

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Offline Elephun

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2017, 09:15:06 PM »
Have you thought of doing a 'Go fund me' or a Paetron fundraiser to help with changes?  Because we are willing to support this site.  We are still here and we care enough to comment and be here.

Something like this could offer transparency into which features and upgrades donations will fund. This could give people the opportunity to support the site above and beyond a small subscription fee that goes into effect to pay for the day-to-day running of the forums.

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2017, 09:58:58 PM »
I am happy to pay a subscription fee.  I would much prefer sending a check to using PayPal, but I will accommodate to whatever DL decides. 

Offline DragonLady

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2017, 10:12:46 PM »
Have you thought of doing a 'Go fund me' or a Paetron fundraiser to help with changes?  Because we are willing to support this site.  We are still here and we care enough to comment and be here.

Something like this could offer transparency into which features and upgrades donations will fund. This could give people the opportunity to support the site above and beyond a small subscription fee that goes into effect to pay for the day-to-day running of the forums.

Everyone here has had the opportunity to support the site for years.  There's been an ongoing thread here in "Site News" that I've bumped on a regular basis.  There's been a running tally of the number of contributions received each year in my signature.

This was all discussed at length three years ago.  A good deal of the reason for charging a subscription fee is because I need to be paid for the work I do here, or I need to stop doing it. 

Lots of people voluntarily do things for a while.  But very few people can do that forever, and I'm not one of them.  I must either start making a living wage, or let this go. 

It's YOUR community, as much as mine.  It's up to YOU to decide if you're willing to help pay to maintain it, or not.

The road to our success is always under construction.
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Offline Melinda_B

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Re: The future of SG
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2017, 10:38:12 PM »
Can I just point out to those who have said that the current SG is on an unstable site/hosting, and they don't want to pay for that - DL has said a couple of times now that moving to a stable host is partly the reason for going the subscription model.  The site is unstable because of the lack of funding.  If you want a stable site (and I'm sure we all do) then we have to provide the funds to enable that to happen.
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